Can anyone identify this cap ?

I have recently received this message from Natalie kindly asking for some help :

"This cap, dated 1913, in the attached photo belonged to someone who was known to have been living in Wellington, New Zealand at that time.

I have already contacted several knowledgeable sources in New Zealand but no-one seem to be able to identify the club from the logo on the cap. All that I have been told is that it is probably a rugby team.

Any help that your website readers could give me would be very much appreciated."

Up to you !



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Comments

[Cath]

FDBA > Fédération des Dandies du Ballon Applati ou si tu préfères "fuck the tuya !"

:)))))

[Pierre-Olivier]

If it is related to rugby, it must be Stade Français !

According to some people, Stade Français WAS, IS and WILL BE rugby now... :-)

[Sean Fagan]

The letters appear to be F, T, O & A - but what order?

I'm not prepared to say 100% it is a rugby cap. The "A" as the last letter (as opposed to say "C" for club or "U" for Union) suggests the initials might be the name of an "Association".

The use of "Association" was rare in rugby - I can think of only rugby league in Qld as an example: "Queensland Rugby Association".

"Association" (particularly with "Football") was more common in soccer (obviously) and also Australian rules football - both these codes were played in NZ pre-WW1. "F" and "A" could well be "Football Association".

I guess the "T" and "O" could be Taranaki and Otago - but I know little of NZ geography - are they neighbouring towns/districts?

[Cath]

up to you ? ben ma pomme !

ça ergote en angliche mais pour l'heure it is a freakin' dog's fart cette affaire...

Pierre Olivier, il fume quoi exactement, ça a l'air cool son truc ;)
Du kiwi peut-être, en rouleau ?

Ah la la, j'adore this blog!

[Cath]

Hi Fred :)

So you skipped the topic or what?
Has the cap been identified at this point?
Or is the investigation still pending....

Wow! So many questions for a little Wednesday morning.... ;)

[Roy]

I think the letter in the middle (which people have been interpreting as a T and an O) is actually a W (for Wellington!) in an "uncial" typeface.

I haven't been able to find an example of an uncial W with the top completely closed as on the cap, but this page (www.californiajewels.com/caljwlpr/pins/pins02.htm.) shows an uncial M that is like an upside-down version of it.

Great site by the way, Fred!

[David James]

Hi,

I have a red velet cap with a silver tassle.

there is no logo just the letters RCRUFC dated 1922.

Can you help me identify where this is from?

[Paul Biffin]

I have 3 rugby caps, dated between 1918 & 1928. Some with the initials R.C.R.F.C.; others, R.C.R.U.F.C. These belonged to R.A.R. Mangles, who I believe to be Roland Arthur Ross Mangles (b 29/05/01) who became a group captain in the 2nd W.W.. I also have 1 cap belonging to him that I think comes from him playing for the R.A.F., plus 1 other cap, dated 1928/29, with 2 badges embroidered on it. One is of an owl with '58'under it & the inscription ALITIBUS NOCTIS; the other, a shield with PER DIEM PER NOCTEM under it. this cap does not have a signature in it, so may have been a gift.
I would appreciate any information you have on either the caps, or R.A.R.Mangles